velthomer:

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I don’t have a problem with anyone making generalizations about the climate of any fandom or sub-group within a fandom.  I can fairly say that the Usenet forum started netlife on was a den of elitist and trollish assholes and hey, that was part of the appeal— notwithstanding the one or two sweet and welcoming teddy bears, because one or two teddy bears didn’t make the rest of them not elitist assholes.  And these are my friends I’ve talking about here.

But I have to take issue with the claim that “no one” in other areas of fandom engages in flat-out hateful behavior, as to get an example of that one need look no further than the various eruptions of IkeWank since Paris/Priam was announced. Like this thread, in which participants on both sides of the debate make cringeworthy allegations regarding the character and intent of the other side.  And that’s the debate in one thread on one forum centered around one pairing in one gameverse in the franchise— a fraction of the overall pool of fandom.  

Some of the most balls-out malicious and personal shitstorms I’ve ever seen in FE fandom have been regarding translation/localization projects.  Here’s an example.  There’s been shit over people not being able to accept NoA/NoE localizations and personal attacks over tiering philosophy.  There are, in fact, people out there who’ll hijack your forum thread just to bitch you out for being a “sheep” who accepts localizations.  Why?  Because they can.   

I’ve been on the ‘Net for more than fifteen years at this point, and there are two lessons I’ve learned:

1) Get a thicker skin, because taking every piece of crap said about something dear to you as a personal insult to your taste, intelligence, and integrity is a waste of time and emotional energy.  

2) Learn when to walk the hell away from an argument you can’t win.

This argument cannot be won.  

antiquecarousel:

angelicaurion:

do you know why people make anti fire emblem awakening posts

because the fandom can be really really really mean

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I didn’t read like 95% of this because it’s tl;dr circlejerking, full of generalization, and triggering for some people (maybe mark with trigger for child abuse?).

I am reblogging it to comment specifically on this:

since the old old days of the anon meme

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah, cause that was SO LONG AGO. Please tell me that line is supposed to be sarcastic or I will just roll myself out of a window and down the street clutching my gut while I laugh the whole way.

The fandom has always been mean. Also, when you say “fandom” I hope you are including the GameFAQs crowd and the SerenesForest crowd. The GameFAQs crowd is particularly bad but back in the day I remember the deviantART crowd being pretty bad sometimes.

The ship wars over FE7 never ended well. And they weren’t petty squabbles, either, voiced in somewhat reasonable ways. People would tell you that you were a fucking moron and they’d tell you super triggering things and do everything in their power to hurt you and make you hate yourself.

The Fire Emblem fandom NOW is nicer than that. At least from what I’ve seen, which, admittedly, is not that much since the days following Awakening’s release.

Also LOL at all the people who keep talking about how MUCH WORSE the Fire Emblem fandom is NOW than it was LAST YEAR or whatever. It used to be worse. At least when most people disagree with you they try to have an intelligent discussion instead of telling you that you’d be better off dead because you think Hector/Lyn > Rath/Lyn and OMG DON’T YOU KNOW RATH/LYN IS CANON?!?!?!!

FE forum fandom circa ‘07 was assholes all the way down.  All the way down.

That said, both GameFaqs and SF seem more mellow these days (barring a few infamous trolls/nutters)— or perhaps I’m avoiding the worst spots.  Since it’s all so fragmented I don’t get into the GBA and Tellius areas and if those shipwars are still burning, I ain’t seeing it.  

But the round of IkeWank over “Priam” was pretty horrible, complete with personal attacks.  Assholes all the way down, again.

harblkun:

markoftheasphodel:

 

A word about the recruitment thing, as it struck me at the time.

Since FE1, there have been characters the Lord could not recruit.  Caeda was your best FE1/FE3 Book I recruiter.  FE3 Book 2 had loads of significant characters (Jeorge, Astram, etc), who didn’t give two craps about Marth and needed someone else to convince them to sign aboard.  FE4’s most intricate recruitment/neutralization chain doesn’t involve the main Lord at all.  And so on.

Where this started to unspool is actually FE11 & 12.  Suddenly Marth can talk to all kinds of people who didn’t give a shit about him personally before— characters like FE12’s Jeorge, whose aloofness from Marth used to seem… IDK a significant part of his character?

[I love Jeorge and anyone who thinks they like snarky snipers or badass wandering princes should bow down in his direction thx.]

But even there, the characters didn’t lose their original recruitment path.  They just had another option available if you killed Gordin or whatever.  So much about those remakes seemed basically geared towards “Let’s still make this playable and winnable for someone who killed off everyone who originally served a unique function!”  Which I guess is NICE, but…

But as much as it shames me as a remake defender to admit it, many of FE13’s worst points are things that got taken for a test drive in the Marth Reboots.  :/

Including the Avatar.

((I remember little from the one, unfinished run I’ve made of FE11, but that Jeorge was awesome. And not just because I joked about Class Changing him into a horse-using unit to finish my color-coded Power Rangers, either. I should try actually finishing the game some time and reacquaint myself with his awesomeness.))

I’m sad to hear that remakes introduced the lesser functions. I’m usually a fan of giving them the benefit of the doubt. ): Perhaps we’ll be luckier in the future.

One can hope, anyway.

I enjoy the remakes.  I liked FE11 from the get-go and will say today that it was a good and fun game.  No supports?  Boo hoo hoo.  It was still a good game.  

[I maintain that supports by themselves do not a great game make and FE13 only bolstered my view.] 

FE12… I wanted to love it, and the core game and BASIC underlying story is still great.  But all the crap they added— MyUnit!  New stupid subplot!  Half-assed redemption for a character that should’ve died and stayed dead!  Bizarro treatment of Marth!  Too many characters!  Retconning the personalities of existing characters in the new troperrific fashion!  Everyone supports with MyUnit and yet Marth and Merric don’t even get a support conversation together!  And on and on and ON.

FE13 took everything that irked me about FE12 and treated it like a virtue.

harblkun:

amielleon:

 

I also really liked how FE10 managed its cast. It had one of its most gigantic, at 72 playables I believe, and it also didn’t have the benefit of supports, yet there was a tremendous amount of interaction between them that had some kind of bearing on the plot. Edward and Leonardo, though underdeveloped, were *part of* the Dawn Brigade and you definitely felt like they belonged there. Nobody laymen Nephenee and Brom serve the plot-important purpose of informing the queen. And so on. There are still a few random nobodies (cough vika cough) but for the most part, all the characters really have a sense of place.

Meanwhile, the Ylisseans let some random bloodthirsty Plegian join up, and all they want to talk to him about is training and the weather. So many wasted opportunities with the Plegians, man.

Things like this remind me that I still need to play that one. And finish Path of Radiance.

Butyeah, there were a LOT of wasted opportunities with reams of characters in FE13—they got a lot of attention in the many supports (except Chrom and Sumia…) which was wonderful, but suffered in the lack of plot-involvement. Sully actually gets hit pretty hard for an Ylissean, she doesn’t even get introduced with the rest of the Shepherds. Only her arrival with Virion. (Kellam gets more lines than she does)

And, like Ammie says, the Plegians were pretty much ignored as when when there’s a LOT that could have been done with them, especially given they are some of the most culturally and socially dissonant characters you pick up, on top of other oddities (like, I dunno…. Henry arriving in a storm of crows and just deciding to hang out after informing them they are surrounded. Is that not weird to anyone?)

The way I’ve been thinking to compare the way FE13 handles characters versus the older game is this: in FE13, you are handed your main players with excitement, like “Look at these people, aren’t they cool?” while the rest of them come out like an upturned Green Army Men Bucket. You barely get an introduction or a reason to care about them before picking them up and moving on.

Most of the previous games (as I remember) preciously hand you almost every new person, like a special gift. Each one is unique—and they’re not all coming just because HOMG CHROM /dramatic swoon. Previous games had several people that were only recruitable via their peers. Guy comes because Matthew saved his life, Marisa has to talk to someone she knows, Rennac can be bought or dragged into things with L’Arachel. Tellius even had some BACKFIRING conversations, if I remember right, with Jill talking to her dad and Zihark talking to a laguz. (what a concept!)

I feel like blaming the Avatar for this, but as it’s one of the highest-ranked characters in the Japanese poll, I doubt we’ll get a change any time soon. It just makes me a bit sad.

Oh well. I can always draw stuff and make my own kind of bandaids for everything. :u

A word about the recruitment thing, as it struck me at the time.

Since FE1, there have been characters the Lord could not recruit.  Caeda was your best FE1/FE3 Book I recruiter.  FE3 Book 2 had loads of significant characters (Jeorge, Astram, etc), who didn’t give two craps about Marth and needed someone else to convince them to sign aboard.  FE4’s most intricate recruitment/neutralization chain doesn’t involve the main Lord at all.  And so on.

Where this started to unspool is actually FE11 & 12.  Suddenly Marth can talk to all kinds of people who didn’t give a shit about him personally before— characters like FE12’s Jeorge, whose aloofness from Marth used to seem… IDK a significant part of his character?

[I love Jeorge and anyone who thinks they like snarky snipers or badass wandering princes should bow down in his direction thx.]

But even there, the characters didn’t lose their original recruitment path.  They just had another option available if you killed Gordin or whatever.  So much about those remakes seemed basically geared towards “Let’s still make this playable and winnable for someone who killed off everyone who originally served a unique function!”  Which I guess is NICE, but…

But as much as it shames me as a remake defender to admit it, many of FE13’s worst points are things that got taken for a test drive in the Marth Reboots.  :/

Including the Avatar.

siraranispleased:

fireemblemheadcanons:

The dead lords in the final chapter of FE4 are characters from Sigurd’s army.

I looked into this because hey, neat idea, and it’s doesn’t seem to be quite the intention circa FE4, though: “Adding more to that, the 12 demon lords of the final chapter. Within them are people who carry the blood of the 12 holy warriors—such as Ahato, Zechs, Zhiben, basically exist in the same way as Levin. This means that they were originally skilled warriors or holy workers. The setting is that their conscience has been absorbed. This means, although it hasn’t been stated, each one of them actually have a drama of their own.”

From here.  Still a nice scary idea, though.

amielleon:

sailortentacle:

usedempyrealthunder:

amielleon:

A century ago, a different phrase was in usage for almost exactly the same meaning as “I can’t handle these feels.”

The phrase was “beside (one)self.”

Eg:

Why am I writing so illogically! Nothing, surely, can possibly happen. This is not like one of my usual letters, is it? I am beside myself to-night with hope, anxiety, fear, and excitement.

When she opened the door — half timorous, half eager, wholly beside herself — he took her in his arms and kissed her, paying no heed to thegoggling eyes of childhood or the averted gaze of old age.

There, in bright letters that glinted in the sun and were easily visible at a much greater distance, was printed the name: CHARMING LASS OF FREEKIRK HEAD
“No wonder she’s goin’!” yelled Pete, almost beside himself with excitement. “No wonder she’s goin’! But let her go! More power to her! Yah!”

they’re so mad because these feels they can’t

… you mean it’s not in usage anymore? D8

If it’s not in use anymore, that’s news to me. It might not be super common, but I still hear it used.

I believe it’s taught to ESL learners and used rarely, usually in formal/high contexts. It’s not dead, but it’s not flung around like “these feels i can’t” either. :P

(Incidentally, the modern usage is almost exclusively in the sense of “angry,” I think — while, if you go even a century before this to the early 1800s, you see it used mostly to mean “insensible” in general.)

I am glad that I associate in meatlife with people who talk like characters from “archaic” books and not people who talk like tumblr users.  That is all.

velthomer:

skasaher replied to your post: an FE4 question: does Dierdre just have, like,…

“She looks like his mum” perfect, no way this plan could fail.

oh my gosh

I went and checked the FE4 playing guide and yeah, they bring up the “mother complex.”

Doesn’t explain why Sigurd fell for her, though.